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Copied from another forum, this person wrote:
Come Jan 4,2004 the new hours of service will go into effect.
The new HOS isn't much different than the old except for the fact that .... Once you start the clock, (this includes pretrip or begin driving) the clock does "NOT" stop until 14 hrs are up.
Note: we are discussing maximum time limits here.
Current regulations, you are able to stop your work day clock by going off duty (line 1)
The new regulations you will "NOT" be able to stop the clock by going off duty (line 1)
The only exception to the rule will be a minimun of 2 hrs in the sleeper followed by driving then back in the sleeper for 8 hrs for a total of 10 hr break within the 24 hr cycle. You cannot operate your truck beyond your 14 hr work day.
So if you start work at 6:00am... By 5pm you are done for the day UNLESS you have taken a 2 hr break within your 11 hrs of driving, then it would be 7 pm plus line 1 + 4 not to exceed 14 hrs for that day.
Old HOS you can drive 10hrs followed 8 hrs off and you could possibly drive another 6 hr that day. 18 hr clock (10hr driving 8 hrs berth time)
New HOS you are on a 24hr clock like the normal work force... Your day is 11 driving with a of 14 hrs total followed by a manditory 10 yrs off period !
To summerize it all....
Before you added up line 3 & 4... Now you add line 1 & 3 & 4 = your time for the day not to exceed 14 hrs
Sleeper berth is just that, but it must equal 10 hr. within that 24 hr day.
Off duty time with conjuntion with your sleeper berth = 10 hrs is legal.
Another words as an example, 1 hr for breakfast and shower with 9 hrs of berth time or 2 hrs off duty with 8 hrs berth time... How you break it up is up to you but NO line 1,2 or 4 can break up the off duty/berth time.
If you dare show yourself on duty doing a pretrip/fueling, ect.. In the morning (something I like to do), THEN going off duty to take a shower... it will be counted against your 14 hr work day because you started your day by prechecking or fueling.
Think of it as working at a factory... Once you punch in... It doesn't matter what you do, it will be on the clock "UNLESS" you take a sleeper berth break. Then you have the remainder of your work day then you clock out and get off for what equals 10 hrs.
Concerning the 70 hr/8 day rule... Nothing has change, that is the same.
Good news... If you shut down for 34 consecutive... You get a fresh 70 hrs to work with.
BUT !!!! Something to consider.. If you work/log 14 hrs everyday.. That the end of the 5th day you will be out of hours and you will be working on days dropping off or sit for 34 hrs and get a fresh 70 hrs to work with again.
If you only work 12 hrs a day...(11 hrs driving.. 1 hr on duty) you will be out of hours in 5.83 hrs.
Lets say you work 5 hrs that day shuttling trailers, you will only have 9 hrs of driving time where you have to take 10 hrs off duty/sleeper berth.
Just keep in mind... We used to be able to take time off by going to line 1..
We DO NOT have that option any longer so your pee breaks or getting that cup of coffee during the day will count against your 14 hrs for that day... No way around it !!
Be safe ...
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[This message was edited by Star-rider on October 29, 2003 at 21:47.]

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i think this is good because you pretty much will sleep at the same time every night if you run legal. right?

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It gets hairy if you have loads, like reefer loads, that have 4:00am appointment times. If 4:00am is right in the middle of what would be your ten hour break, then you have to find a way to adjust things and run split break for awhile.
If anything, I think some of the reefer drivers are gonna be even more messed up than they are now.

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I think this is the reason that companies will have to expect longer delivery times. And why alot of companies perfer teams.
Drafter
Keep the wheels rolling

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It seems to me FMCSA has made changes to the new rules that Sleeper time extends the 14 hour day as long as you go back to the sleeper to total 10 hours and not off Duty at the end of driving. I may be wrong as I have not attended HOS training yet. I
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Joe


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If I read every thing right it sound like this
11hrs drv + 3hrs on-duty non drv + 10 hrs off-duty = 24 hr day
OR
Just as an example
7 hrs drv + 5sb + 7 hrs Drv + 5sb = 24 hr day
Or to some extent like that with the 2 split sleeper berths = 10 hrs and only 14 hrs drive time. This is what it is sounding like to me let me know it this is close or not

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I am afraid 7 hr driving 5 hrs SB and 4 hours driving and 5 hrs SB would be more like it The Driving time can be no more than 11 and SB can be no less than 10 Driving and off duty time total can be no more than 14 hrs SB Extends the 14 hr day as I under stand it so far. But if you went off duty in stead of SB you would be in violation far as I can tell.
Seek to know God and Jesus who was presented as the sacrifice of full payment for sin.
Do the VI maintain your following distance maintain your lane position observe the speed limit observe the things around you and keep good records
Safe driving to you.
Joe


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Where do you guys get all this "on duty" time from, 3 hours/4 hours on duty etc.
All of a sudden out of a clear blue sky, since the new rules have come into play, I've been hearing about 3/4/5/6 or more hours on duty!!!
Where did this come from all of a sudden??????
I personally don't know of any driver that goes on duty for that length of time. I just have not met anyone who did this!!
I've never been on duty more than 15 minutes while being loaded or unloaded. Then again, someone else does this, not me.
My guess?? Maybe there are tens of thousands of drivers out there everyday lumping more loads including floor loads than they care to tell anyone about.
I keep reading about all these freight companies having 90% 95% no touch. If your not unloading/loading trailer loads, why are you on duty for 4 or 5 hours?????

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Since 70 hour rule didn't change, a driver can still only average 8.75 hours per day to be available 8 days a week. BOL

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I was on the road for about 3 months a few years ago and I just got how the HOS worked then now I throw trash and can only work 57.5 hours a week but we don't keep logs until we go over 12 hours in 1 day as far as I know the new HOS doesn't effect us trashmen drivers but I am looking to go back OTR and now I starting to get a little worried/confused about the new HOS and being able to get the load were it needs to go on time. Sounds to me that it is making it harder to do that because when I was driving I ran for 8-10 hours then slept 8 then back on the road again so on and so forth blah blah blah Guess I'll have to get a book or something so I don't get into any violations(don't want any of that). Oh yeah and by the way anyone know of any companies that will hire regional drivers with less than 1year exp. in the central Ohio area?