Question:
If a log book is not required because you drive local only, is proof of pretrip reqiured, or any type log book required?

Answer:
You still need to fill out a vehicle report form when you do your pre or post trip ( law doesn't specify which).
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Your employer is required to supply you with the Daily Inspection Report. If he doesn't know where he can get them, tell him to go down to the local truckstop. They should sell them there for about 2-3 bucks.
I prefer a pre-trip inspection. That way I know if there is anything wrong before I actually hit the road for a day.
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Dodgin' the scales...
80 miles an hour and a step outta jail..." --> From "Rollin' Home, Pirates of the Mississippi)
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"I've always been different with one foot over the line.
Winding up somewhere, one step ahead or behind.
It ain't been so easy, but I guess I shouldn't complain.
I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane." (from Waylon Jennings)
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Owner Operator Division


Answer:
Publications
A local driver must still have time records per:
Regulations
§ 395.1 Scope of rules in this part.
(e) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of § 395.8 if:
(e)(1) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location;
(e)(2) The driver, except a driver salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours;
(e)(3) At least 8 consecutive hours off duty separate each 12 hours on duty;
(e)(4) The driver does not exceed 10 hours maximum driving time following 8 consecutive hours off duty; and,
(e)(5) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing:
(e)(5)(i) The time the driver reports for duty each day;
(e)(5)(ii) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day;
(e)(5)(iii) The time the driver is released from duty each day; and
(e)(5)(iv) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with § 395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently
Local drivers are exempted from the log provided all of the conditions listed are met.
John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
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John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

Answer:
There is not a regulation that states that a driver is required to show any "on duty time" for inspection. The regulation states that "the driver shall: Be satisfied that the motor vehicle is in safe operating condition"-------It does not require a driver to show any time on the bottom line! All a driver really has to do to cover himself, is a "note an inspection".
I do show 15 mins. on the bottom line before each trip and this includes hooking up and a pre-trip, but at the end of the day, I only a line for my location and "note 5 mins. for post trip", I do not show 15 mins.
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Just a grouchy old man.
"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person"-Andy Rooney

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I work about a nine hour day, and have a daily time sheet. I drive no more than 60 miles from my work place. So I should only need to get a daily inspection report, correct? My employer is new at this also, and is just getting things together.

Answer:
Phoneman, hopefully your employer has applied for a US DOT Number and is scheduled for a Safety Audit.
If you and your employer are unsure about DVIR's then there are probably many other points of interest that should be discussed.
In addition to the DVIR's there is annual inspections, D & A testing, DQ files, CDL's, insurance and HM to mention a few.
I would recommend a visit to FMCSA's Web Site
Be safe.
John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
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John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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I work about a nine hour day, and have a daily time sheet. I drive no more than 60 miles from my work place. So I should only need to get a daily inspection report, correct? My employer is new at this also, and is just getting things together.
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You are correct. You do not have to keep a log book. The only time that you would ever have to log is if you work 12 hours or more per day or drive outside the 100 mile radius. At the end of your shift, just fill out the VCR form. The orginal goes to your employer and the duplicate stays in the vehicle.
Just a grouchy old man.
"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person"-Andy Rooney

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Many new carriers face penalties or increased liability in the event of a crash involving a CMV. For the record a CMV has two different definitions with different requirements for each defintion. See Part 390.5 for one defintion and Part 382.107 and Part 383.5 for the other definition.
No Count sees a little perturbed I'm expounding on the subject. However, after witnessing carriers loosing their business, having to change names after major accidents or face penalties for violations of the FMCSR I'll stick to my guns and encourage the further reading by Phoneman and his employer. If Phoneman or his employer would like to discuss the issue they can E-mail me at duckmanil@prodigy.net and I will provide additional information on how to contact me.
John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
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John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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No Count sees a little perturbed I'm expounding on the subject.
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Tell me where you got that idea?
I cant believe the attitude of some> I try to help someone and a LOE accuses me of getting "perturbed". You in the habit of "thumping up charges"?
I couldnt care less if you wrote a book on the subject. If you did 95% of the book would be quoting the regulations.
Just a grouchy old man.
"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person"-Andy Rooney

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Tell me where you got that idea?
Hmmm, could be the rebuttal offered every time I post.
I cant believe the attitude of some> I try to help someone and a LOE accuses me of getting "perturbed". You in the habit of "thumping up charges"?
Yeah Nocount, I’ve got you by the short hairs here and harassing you over your shoes being untied.
I couldnt care less if you wrote a book on the subject. If you did 95% of the book would be quoting the regulations.
Better that posting personal opinion and being off a notch or two.
John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
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John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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Yeah Nocount, I’ve got you by the short hairs
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I thought you might be a little "funny".
Just a grouchy old man.
"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person"-Andy Rooney

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"When you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."
Yeppers laughing every day.
John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
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John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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My employer has gotten his DOT number, trucks and trailers getting DOT inspections, has the insurance, and I'll check on the rest. A little story goes with this. The guy who was there before me got stopped by Georgia DOT. They found nineteen violations and quit writting. They let the guy off, but the company had fifiteen days to get in order or face a massive fine. They are trying to comply, just not experienced with it.