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I am looking right now at CR England for a starting company after school. Now for the question, I would like to be a company driver for 6 months or more to get a feel for trucking but, I am thinking of doing there lease program sounds alot better than the other companys have. My questions is how does it work? How long do you have to be with the company to do it? Also, can you make money doing it this way? The pay does seem low at $0.80 permile but, they cover most things at a low cost if you get the miles they promise. Can anyone give a little insight? CR England Lease Program Thanks Once Again Guys!!!

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Then signing on with CR England might just do it for you! Just click "search" at the top of this web page.... and search for info on CR England (a.k.a. CRE). If you read enough of this information then it might just make you think twice about signing on!
A lease option with CRE? Lot's of advice in here against doing that! Be careful! It's better to learn from someone else's mistakes than to learn the hard way! Also read about other companies using the search feature too. Would think twice about leasing anything from the company you work for! Also 6 months into trucking is probably WAY TOO SOON to even think about getting your own truck. Leases are tricky! You would probably be better off getting a couple or more year's experience before BUYING your own truck and not going through a company's lease program. I am merely reiterating information that I have gathered from doing plenty of searches here on TN and elsewhere.
Try looking at From those who have been there before! There are other sites as well. You'll figure out what they are when you start searching the posts here on TN!
With the cost of fuel, insurance, licenses, taxes, truck payments.... you may decide that you're better off being a company driver for now!

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The money is far worse at England than the picture they present. Most O/O's now days have strugle to make it on more than .80cpm. A person buying his or her own truck has the ability to keep a check on their exspenses from the start. They can decide how much to pay for a truck and what payments they want and need. You woun't get that choice at CRE. They have a set payment plan and a whole lot of additional fees that must be met. A few cents for a tire replacement plan another few pennies for tractor use, maintenance and on and on. Soon your .80cpm has dwindled conciderably. It's a loosing proposition for you.
Besides all that they control you and your truck. The payments themself give them that control. You are constantly working to make payments. Your personal income is secondary.
They do paint a pretty picture and most likely love their drivers. I would love you to if you were buying a truck for me.
Bad idea from the beginning.
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of all who threaten it"

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Has to rank on the top of the list with Prime for bad companies, They target newbies that have no experience in the bussiness and give them a line of crap that they fall for and then stick it to them.
Check out the OOIDA reports and do a search here on the CRE and you will change your mind very quickly.
As faar as only wanting to be a company driver for 6 months and then jump into a Lease to "Never" Own program is even a bigger mistake.
Get your feat wet learn all the ins and outs find a company that you really like and then buy your own truck, Even if your credit is not all that great if you have stable employment the chances are better and you will then be paying for a truck that you will own and not a truck that many others thought they would one day own
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away

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DO NOT DO IT!!!!!
Read this
http://roundtable.truck.net/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=6456013822&f=5276031032&m=5566058432
My husband was going to do the Lease thing at CRE several years ago..
Opie, our local lawyer on these forums replied to me with this..
Please do not even think about the lease program with CRE.
You will not make any money, your credit and DAC will be ruined..
I rode with my husband for about a year...
Every lease driver we knew made no money and every possible worse case scenerio was happening to them...
DO NOT DO IT, Ignore everyone who works at CRE and trye to tell you differant, they are full of crap!


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also go here
http://www.realdrivers.com/cr_england.htm
and here
http://realdrivers.com/scgi-bin/reports.cgi?category=CRCRENGB&item=1270687604
and here
http://realdrivers.com/scgi-bin/reports.cgi?category=CRCRENGB&item=1275197115


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What Me said
Seriously don't do it.
There was a guy in here a while back who had the itch to be an owner-operator so he went to Prime.
Everyone told him not to, it was a bad, bad idea. Guess what he did..........
Came back some months later with his tail between his legs. Turns out all the people who told him no were correct.

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Is it still possible to make it as an O/O if you got your own truck and don't go with companys like that? Or will you just be in the same boat??

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read this too...
http://www.ooida.com/legal_action/England/crengland_denied.htm


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http://www.ooida.com/legal_action/Status_update.html
scroll down to CR Engalnd


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"Is it still possible to make it as an O/O if you got your own truck and don't go with companys like that"
I think it is if you have it together. My opinion and probably mine only.
You'll need to know what your doing. Things like just being familiar with the many highways will help. If it were me I would not just buy a truck then lease on somewhere. I would also get my own authority, insurance and reefer trailer. Although a trailer has it's own problems and exspenses you can make more owning it. Reefer freight pays more than dry box also. But not as much as other specialized equiptment. You will also have to have an established set of companies or brokers to work with. You will loose fast if you don't have good relationships and contacts in place. Your reputation wil be very important with them. You'll also need to know where and when to go to certain areas. Land in Washington the wrong time of year and it will be costly. The same as landing in Florida out of season. It's a business and you need to know how it works to be successful.
Anyway I think you can make money at it if done right. Lots of peoples opinions differ. I hope some chime in with their outlook on it.
Great Stuff
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of all who threaten it"

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midnightrunner,
Go check out www.partners-in-business.com
That site is hosted by Kenworth, and is a decent course of study in how to become an O/O... the things you need to think of/figure out BEFORE you even try to get a truck. How much money do you need IN HAND before you start... and a ton of other great info.
You NEED to know about business practices, THIS industry, and how to make ends meet to make it...especially these days.
I am new to driving, but I have been a small business owner. I want to be an O/O someday, but I told myself I'd wait at least 2 years in order to get to know the industry first. The more info you have, the better off you'll be.
Good luck,
Kermit

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Originally posted by midnightrunner:
I am looking right now at CR England for a starting company after school. Now for the question, I would like to be a company driver for 6 months or more to get a feel for trucking but, I am thinking of doing there lease program sounds alot better than the other companys have. My questions is how does it work? How long do you have to be with the company to do it? Also, can you make money doing it this way? The pay does seem low at $0.80 permile but, they cover most things at a low cost if you get the miles they promise. Can anyone give a little insight? http://www.crengland.com/home/index.jsp?content=static&title=Owner-Lease%20Program&width=30&page=drivers/ownerlease#program Thanks Once Again Guys!!!
RUN, don't walk, as fast as you can AWAY from CRE! Unless of course you like having a $70/week paycheck and enjoy notbeing home for months on end. There are other companies that pay rookies better than what CRE pays veteran drivers.
Also, do not even consider running your own truck until you have been in the business at least a few years. It takes that long to get a good feel for the business. Sorry, but at 6 months, you are still a rookie. At a year, you are still a rookie. You cease to be a rookie after several years of excellent performance. Otherwise, you will be wasting your time and money and end up going broke.
Also, avoid the lease/purchase crap. If you really want to be a true O/O, buy your own truck with a standard truck loan, get your own authroity, and do it 100% your way. All most lease purchase agreements come out as is you have as little freedom as a company driver, but you have to pay the fuel and bank note on their truck. Then, assuming you even make it to the end of the lease, you must turn the truck in, pay yet more money (the remainder of the value), and you are left with exactly what you started out with-nothing. No equity in a truck that you paid off and now own, nor one you can trade up for a better one. Nothing. Don't do it.
You may even decide, as I have that truck ownership is not for you. Because when it is all said and done, my take home pay is greater than many O/O bring home, but with a fraction of the hassle of keeping track of records, payments, maintenance, etc. As a company driver, all I do is drive, and collect my pay on Friday, and go home and forget about the truck until I leave. My O/O friends spend a good portion of their weekends doing paerwork, (or at least their wives do, but my wife told me absolutely no way would she ever do so.) Or they pay someone to do it-an expense that comes out of their already tiny settlement.
WHY IS MY BEER DARKER THAN YOUR COFFEE??