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I am catching the flux alot about my logs at my company. What manual can I buy to help me be smarter about logs? Many of my violations come from doing split time. Let me ask this, if I begin a trip and drive 5 hours, sleep 4, drive 5 and sleep 4. How many hours am I now elgible to drive?

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http://trucknet.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=475098473&f=459093878&m=3900980631
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http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/factsfigs/Log.htm
http://www.driversdailylog.com/plansDDL.htm

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Let me ask this, if I begin a trip and drive 5 hours, sleep 4, drive 5 and sleep 4. How many hours am I now elgible to drive?
Provided all hours reported were in the sleeper berth and you have sufficent hours on the 60/70 hour clock..... You can drive 5 hours.
Some log scanning programs are tough on split sleeper berth because the program is looking at 10 hours of drivng in one day or 10 on 8 off.
The thing to remeber is the time under the bridge of the two sleeper berth periods always counts toward the current 10/15 hour rule.
Drive 5 - Sleep 4 - Drive 5 - Sleep 4 - Drive 5 - Sleep 4
The cycle can continue until you reach the 60/70 hour wall for driving time. Then you can no longer drive.
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Shame on you John Q
You are forgetting the logging requirements for fueling and VI's. I got in to a similar problem thinking I could drive 5 and sleep 4, but I forgot the 15 minutes for fueling and the 15 minutes before the first driving shift of a new day. The company dictated those be logged on line 4 and they cut into the driving time.


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Go to www.jjkeller.com
type in 'Logs' on product search.

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if I begin a trip and drive 5 hours, sleep 4, drive 5 and sleep 4. How many hours am I now elgible to drive?
If it doesn't put you over 60/70.
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Hubby used to have an old Swift handbook that covered logging and showed some examples of correct logs and errors. They taught a simple system that I found helpful when trying to understand split sleeper berth time and trying to help him grasp sleeper berth time. Of course, once you get the concept down then it's easy enough and you won't need to do this. But I think this can help to understand the concept and as a check for a very BUSY log page with lots of duty status changes.
Take any two split sleeper berth periods on a log page. Count the time you slept in the first sleeper period. Subtract that time from 8 hrs. The figure you come up with is the amount of time you need to satisfy your 8 hr. sleeper requirement.
Now IF your 2 split sleeper berth periods total at least 8 hrs. take both hands and cover up the two sleeper berth periods.
Now total the DRIVING time you have in between the 2 sleeper berths. Subtract the driving time from 10 hrs. That gives you the amount of time you can drive WITHOUT having a full 8 hrs uninterrupted sleeper berth time.
Just keep in mind that you must have at least 8 hrs sleeper berth either uninterrupted or split for every 10 hrs. of drive time.
Sleeper berth, in order to count towards your rest requirement must be of at least 2 hrs. duration.
You can't count off-duty (line 1) time towards the sleeper berth requirement unless it is part of an uninterrupted 8 hrs. off-duty/sleeper berth period.
To use your example: "if I begin a trip and drive 5 hours, sleep 4, drive 5 and sleep 4. How many hours am I now elgible to drive?"
Ok, you have driven 5 hrs. and have recorded that on your log page. Then you have 4 hrs. sleeper recorded. Then another 5 hrs. driving time and 4 more hours sleeper time.
Take your hands and cover the first sleeper berth period with your left hand. Cover the 2nd sleeper period with your right. Total the driving time you have between those 2 sleeper periods. In your example, it is 5 hrs. Subtract that from 10 hrs. and you come up with 5 more available hours to drive without sleep again. Make sure the two sleeper berths total at least 8 hrs.
If they DON'T you can't drive again until they DO.
You have probably also used a 15 min. pretrip or posttrip, possibly 15 mins. for fuel, 15-30 minutes minimum for load/unload or D&H, etc. All those items will be recorded on a realistic log page and count towards your 15 hr. and 60/70 rules (you should be keeping your recap up DAILY and know how close you are to the 60/70 hr. rule). YOUR scenario doesn't really put you in danger of exceeding the 15 hr. rule since you are not attempting to drive/work onduty for 15 hrs. CONSECUTIVE without sleeper berth.
This is a very simple approach used to teach SWIFT drivers so should be easily understandable to most other "steering wheel holders" such as monkeys, etc. since by now everybody knows ANYBODY can drive a big truck.
Hope it helps and if I messed up someone jump in and correct me, please. Trying to rely on my faulty memory.
A mind is a terrible thing to have.
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If he wants to get away from the split log.
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If you use the split log no time can be on lines 1 or 4 period!!.To save yourself a lot of headache,especially if your not 100% sure on how to do it,i'd forget about split-logging.

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If it doesn't put you over 60/70."
As I understand it AverageHonky, he would need to have a full 8 hrs. UNINTERRUPTED sleeper berth again before he could drive a full 10 hrs. and get off the split sleeper berth.
"If you use the split log no time can be on lines 1 or 4 period!!.To save yourself a lot of headache,especially if your not 100% sure on how to do it,i'd forget about split-logging."
Rockefeller, I agree with forgetting about the split logging whenever possible also. However, there are times when Hubby used to deviate from his usual 10 on 8 off pattern such as running short trips or when hours were maxed out on 70 hr. rule and he had to wait to pick up more.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by saying NO time can be logged on line 1 or 4 if you are using split sleeper berth. That's not the way I understand it. Please elaborate?
A mind is a terrible thing to have.
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There should be NO REASON for a single driver to be logging 5 driving and 4 sleeper. It's geared for team drivers. If you insist on splitting (no matter how it's done, as long as 2 hrs minimum to start), you need to count the hours driven SINCE THE LAST 8 hour break. This gives you the number of hours you have to drive.
This subject confuses many, and it's easy to see why.
Put another way:
Start log 01/07/03:
0015 - Line 4
0030 - Line 3
0515 - Line 2
0915 - Line 3
1415 - Line 2
1815 - Line 3
This give you 5 hours to drive. So say you drive these 5 hours then go into sleeper again:
2315 - Line 2
Then you decide to start out 01/08 this way:
0315 - Line 3
0600 - Line 2
1000 - Line 3
This gives you 7.25 hours to drive, since you have already driven 2.75 hours.
The key here is in knowing WHEN your 10 hours are up, but if you split your sleeper berth, you will NEVER be able to log 10 consecutive hours of driving, as you would be in violation of the 10 hour rule. You will only be able to drive 10 hours MINUS the hours you drove SINCE YOUR LAST 8 HOUR BREAK.
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how bout evryone downloading the free program
www.driversdailylog.com
then play with it for a few days then we will all be on the same page with good advice and maybe even find a coupple of things to make your trip a little more restfull.
tom

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rockefeller, what are you talking about?
If you use the split log no time can be on lines 1 or 4 period!!.
There is nothing that stipulates a driver can't use sleeper berth for 3 hours, go off-duty for 3 hours, work on-duty not driving for 1 hour, and drive for 5 hours and the 3 hours in the sleeper berth not count.
You can only split sleeper berth time to obtain the required 8 hours of rest. Nothing says you must only log line 2 and 3.
We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
John Q.
Disclaimer: The views posted are those of the author. The accuracy of the rules posted are subject to the status of rules and regulations posted by the GPO and other Government Agencies. The author accepts no responsibility for inaccuracies of any posted regulation or interpretation. Readers should seek legal counsel for all legal issues."If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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Why are you even split logging there is no advantage to this other than to burn your hours up faster.Log it the normal way and just make sure what you send to the company is legal you will have alot less problems.And unless your company policy fequires you to log fuel I wouldnt because if you can use the paperless fuel system just flag it but if company says you must log line 4 I guess your screwed.As far as line 4 taking away driving time thats crazy you can still log your 10hrs driving thats what the 10-15 rule is all about.Well enough ramblings BOL.
aman