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I have made this post on another forum. I am choosing to copy and past it here also. I am not attempting to be a drama queen of any sorts. The purpose is to help educate new drivers that are entering the work force to the issues that they will face if they choose TMC. This as been my experience, other will obviously say different I am sure. I will past my thread in its entireity with additional comments at the end.
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I am choosing to post this evaluation of my experience in the newbie section due to the majority of questions regarding TMC comes from recent graduates of the CDL schools. I should give some back ground to my experience. I started driving in May of 2003 pulling flatbeds for Roehl. I left Roehl after 14 months to drive for a company that was closer to home and paying better. That job lasted almost 2 years but it was literally killing me. I was working on call, and it did not matter if I had just woke up or had been awake for 12 hours waiting to be called, I was expected to run when they said run. I went to work for a small operation, 3 truck then 2 truck. I left that due to fear of the bottom falling out. I took about 4 months off from August to November in 2006. As the bank account started to shrink I realized I had to go back out. I applied to TMC and after about a week I set up a date for orientation. I decided to hold off until the first of the year with the holidays coming up.
January 1st I set out for Des Moines. I arrived there and checked into the company hotel located on site. The accommodations were nice by trucking standards. I was given a packet of paper work to fill out and told to report at 6:30 a.m. at a classroom the next morning. The paper work was the usual, application, insurance, direct deposit, etc.
The next day I show up at the classroom at 6:15. It was a large room with several tables. Placed on every table in front of a chair were cards with names on them. I took my assigned seat and waited. As the room filled I started to take a head count. There were eventually 75 people attending orientation that day. The majority were fresh out of school drivers, easy to pick out in a crowd with their deer in the head light stare. Out of the 75, 25 of us were experienced 50 were no experience. The 2 instructors began promptly at 6:30. I instantly had flash backs of MCRD San Diego. After they had completed roll call they began to tell us the itinerary for the day. It would start out with the DOT physicals and drug tests. The instructor that was speaking then entered into a 15 minute diatribe of zero tolerance with regards to drugs. It was obvious that it was mainly directed to the new drivers. The section where I was seated with the experienced drivers chuckled and looked at each other. Some of us made comments to the effect of who were they trying to impress. About this time a driver showed up late. He was an experienced driver from Oklahoma. His bus had arrived late and he went to the wrong building in the morning. The instructor then made a comment to the late driver saying, “ Well I guess since the bus was late, you did not deliver on time “. The late driver, who I will call Red, resembled Alfred E Newman of Mad Magazine. Red replied in his native Oklahoma draw, “ The load was not late it was delivered on time. “ The instructor questioned him how could it have been on time if he over slept. Red responded with out missing a beat, “ Because I parked the truck in front of the gate before I went to sleep.” After this initial intimidation process they tried to apply, the experienced drivers were separated from the newbie drivers. Our orientation was to only last 3 days while the newbies had 2 weeks of this to look forward to. The 3 days turned into a week for us. During the entire process the instructors displayed an arrogance and attitude that I have never seen before at any job. We were told of the policy regarding standing on the grass, instant termination. We skimmed over company policies. The instructor we had was obviously more interested in taking smoke breaks, putting his time in, and going home. The load securement phase consisted of 3 hours. Overall I would say I should have not walked away at that point, I should have left running. Since Roehl did not put my flatbed experience down on my DAC and TMC was too lazy to pick up a phone to verify it, I was required to go out with a “trainer” for 2 weeks. When the last day finally arrived for orientation, we had to meet in the classroom again to find out our trainer assignments and rental car arrangements to get back home. As it was coming to an end, I had to relieve myself of the coffee I had ingested earlier in the day. I had sat patiently waiting. When the training coordinators had finally covered all of the pertinent information that I needed and asked if there were anymore questions, I stood up and started for the door with my back teeth floating. As I walked to the door, one of TMC’s ambassadors of professionalism says, “ Hey bud, sit back down, you were not exscused.” Oh he did not just say that is all that went through my mind. I responded that I had to use the restroom. He said I needed to wait. I then shot a look that said what was on my mind. The other training coordinator read my look and told me that I could go. One thing that really stood out during my week of “orientation” was that every company I have ever worked at as at least given the drivers the lip service of the fact that everyone in the company works for the drivers, drivers are the only revenue generators, etc. At TMC they do not even bother. The way they treat people is obvious what they truly think of drivers. They are with out a doubt a typical large training company. They know that for every driver that quits, they have 10 more lined up with starry eyes drooling at black and chrome.
I went out with my “trainer” for 2 weeks. New drivers have to complete 6 weeks. My trainer was a nice guy. He was about 10 years younger then I am and had about 2 years less experience driving then I had. He was OCD in the regards that he did not allow anyone to wear shoes inside of his truck that were worn outside. The floor of his truck looked like it had just rolled out of the factory at 130k on the hub. But the real proof in the experience was the fact that while I was out with him during the 1st week, he spent most of his time calling other carriers looking for another job. During the beginning of the 2nd week with him, he had a job offer that he quickly took. Now the funny part. Not 10 minutes after calling and giving his notice to TMC while driving down a 2 lane state highway in TN he was on the phone calling family and friends to let them know he got a new job. I was sitting in the jump seat and I had noticed that the posted speed limit was 55mph. I also noticed the oncoming traffic flashing their lights as they passed us. Sitting on top of a hill was a TN DOT. I motioned at the parked DOT car, my “trainer” looked and continued hammer down at 65mph. As we crested the hill, he looked in the mirror and said, “ Crap, he’s going to get me”. Sure enough we were pulled over. The officer came around to the passenger side and instructed me to go to the sleeper. My “trainer” had no drawn a single line in his log book that day. So not only speeding, but log violation AND an expired insurance card on the truck. I just sat in the sleeper trying to keep a straight face. The officer looked at me and asked how long had I been driving. I told him 3 ½ years, he asked if this were just a check ride, and I responded yes basically. He then said, “ You’ve already been through this before I take it “. I responded “ Yes Sir .” You have to realize what the requirements are to be a trainer at TMC. You have to have 6 to 9 months experience with the company and 1 winters driving. Overall the 2 weeks were uneventful other then learning what NOT to do…….LOL
I got to spend 2 days home before heading back out to Des Moines. I live in Muncie, IN. I was given the phone number of the driver that was going to pick me up. He was leaving out from PA and picking up another driver in OH. They picked me up approximately 3am Sunday. I drove to Iowa and checked in to the hotel. Monday I reported to a different classroom with approximately 20 other drivers. We filled out 5 or 6 forms during the entire day. At the end of the day, I find out that I have to drive back to Indianapolis along with 12 others to get my truck. So basically I wasted 2 days of my life that I will never get back to fill out 5 forms that I could have easily filled out during the 1st week I had been there. The real insult was that I was forced to buy a disposable camera and bunk warmer from the company. $5 for the camera and $35 for the bunk warmer. Once again, I should have ran out of the door. The company is that cheap that they require drivers to buy a disposable camera from them is insane. I drove back to Indy with 3 other experienced drivers. The process of getting assigned a truck took a day and a half with 13 of us showing up at the same time.
The one good thing about the company is my fleet manager. He is a good guy, probably the best FM I have ever had. But he can not fix or change the problems with his company. I have been in my truck for 7 weeks now. I have put close to 20k on it. My YTD gross for loads is $5071. That is a little over $700 a week gross. I have been home for 3 days since being assigned my truck so it is not because I have been sitting at home. It is not because I have been sitting anywhere. I have constantly been on the move. The revenue that they show me on the load assignments is a joke. I have pulled flatbed freight on % before. When I did the truck was averaging $1.78/mile for ALL miles put on the truck. I am getting paid under $0.30/mile at the end of the day. The fact seems to be TMC hauls cheap freight. Reviewing their “Best of the Best” which lists the top 50 drivers based on revenue to the truck I am not the only one that is hurting. The bottom of the top 50 only generated $3700 a week to the truck. This is a company that boasts 3100 trucks. That would make you wonder what the actual average is company wide. I had suspected that part of the reason may have been the company topping the freight charge. I have been told by drivers that TMC has an in-house brokerage and that the revenue that we see is after it has gone through the brokerage. I was assured by my FM that this was not the case. I have proof that it is. I am on a run that I was told the revenue is $1624 but the BOL states the freight charge as $1819. This difference is approximately 10% which is the standard brokerage cut. It is too little to account for a fuel surcharge, let alone the tarp fee that should be applied. I also have found the freight tariff agreement for AHI (Annette Holdings Inc. the parent company of TMC ) online. It is a very good read, it breaks down the line haul formula based on 100lb weight along with all other accessory charges. The thing that really stands out, it states that line haul rates are based on Rand McNally Practical miles. But the company stands behind household movers guide miles as far as drivers are concerned for pay and out of route figures. Just another example of a company preying on the ignorance of newbie drivers.
At this point and time, I know that I my days are numbered at TMC. How long I stay is still in question. I have already begun looking and have been accepted at a company but have to wait for a truck to become available.
There is NO WAY that I would recommend TMC to anyone, be it new driver or experienced. I have only skimmed over the issues that a driver would face here. I realize that you can ask other TMC drivers and they will paint a rosy picture to you. But for the new drivers, there are better choices that you can go with where you will be able to earn a wage that you deserve. Do not let the wonder lust of driving a peter car influence you into a decision that you will regret.
Additions:
TMC pays it's drivers $0.20/mile (short miles) for company loads. These loads usually consist of shagging 1 or 2 trailers stacked on a flat bed going down to Loredo TX or a dedicated customer. Another example of what TMC feels a drivers work is worth.
I am planning on giving my notice to my Fleet Manager this Monday as soon as I am loaded and headed East.
Anyone that is considering TMC should review their SafeStat scores. Currently their driver score is above 90.

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Wow.
Excellent post. You nailed the attitude and "contempt" many companies have for their drivers -- especially the training companies -- although yours sounded worse than most. The degree and specifics may be different from one carrier to the next, but the overall attitude is very prevalent with large carriers. "Contempt". That's the perfect word. That's what it is.
I will say -- not in defense of this attitude but as a way to understand some of it -- that part of this treatment is intended to lay down the law with the newbies who don't yet understand what forced dispatch and on-time delivery really means. This is a high-stakes, high-risk business with big expensive machines and multi-million-dollar contracts. You paid a truck school to be nice to you and treat you with respect. Now you've entered the real world and they're paying you. They want you do what they say. Period.
Of course, this intimidation also turns-off some of the competent professionals (like yourself) and leaves a bad taste in one's mouth even if things improve after orientation. This is "old school" management -- heavy on negative reinforcement through sheer fear and intimidation -- which probably starts from the top and trickles down. I suspect everyone is treated like those in orientation, and the managers were just passing down what's done to them.
I won't say a new driver should walk out of this experience and get back on the bus. Once you get into your own truck and get a dispatcher, you've entered yet another phase -- actually driving for the company. You're primarily dealing with this one boss and if he/she is half-decent and competent, your experience might transcend an especially negative, ruthless management culture. But not always. And the company culture so eloquently described above is probably where I'd draw the line if it were my first job again. There are better places to cut your teeth and learn the craft -- maybe not a whole lot better, but better than that.
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After Reading these stories from drivers and their companies they drive for over the years, I'm glad I drive where I'm at now.

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Buzzdog, I hope you're able to find something that wil work for you. Man, shouldn't be made to feel like going through MCRD again!!! And what a great "lead by example" trainer ..."Pain is weakness leaving the body."
"Nobody ever drowned in their own sweat."
U.S.M.C. '89-'95 0351, '95-'99 6531 (I.Y.A.O.Y.A.S.)
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Hmmm... what happened to the OTR "lifestyle" pimps?
The "it's what you make of it,pay your dues" group.
Where's Flatbed Fred when he's needed to rebuke the
a TMC loser?

Thanks for todays laugh.
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yea were is old flatbed?
seems he never around when a guys post something like that
sounds like TMC has attiule problem,

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My purpose is not to open up a venue for the "dweller" bashers to come in and pipe up. But as should be expected, you try and shine a light on something and the roaches start running about.
Glad to see you have not changed a single bit Mikey.
My intentions on posting this is to help recent graduates in making their choice on where to start. I would actually welcome any representative from TMC to refute any of the comments that I have made. This goes for any of their forum trolls that they have at the office in Des Moines, or their "driver recruiters".
No offence to Fred, but he really blew any type of credability when he came on these forums proclaiming that he was an experienced driver recruiter, when in fact he had not even been out with his trainer yet. I would still question his response due to the lack of experince in the industry as a whole. He has only worked for TMC.
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Thanks for the late night laugh.

I'll take it as a compliment.

Your intentions are admirable.
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Oh -- give it a rest Rabelman. He wrote a very detailed explanation of his experience that's actually says something and is a service to newbies. Your snide, childish one-liner insults say nothing -- except you still hate trucking and truckers.
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Well RABELAM it looks like the same old mindless ones are still trying to shut up those who actually use their heads for some thing more than a hat rack.
What is really boggling is Buzzdog saw how TMC treated their drivers from the first day of orientation and still works for them. I would have got my own ride home from orientation. There's no need to work for scum trucking companies.

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Shuffler must have missed this part. Sounds sincere to me.
And Mikes original post was tounge in cheek, I am sure, as usually there would be somebody defending TMC and telling the driver that they have to pay their dues before getting a "lifestyle job" like Shufflers.

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Stuffs,
I know that 10 years ago when I was quicker to react that I would have done just that. But as I am getting older, I try not to re-act as quick. I wanted to at least say that I gave my 100% to make things work. But as far as me still working here. My days are numbered, I have given my notice as it has become all to aparent that this is as good as it will get and it will never be this good again at TMC.
PTD,
I welcome anyone that wants to defend TMC to speak up. I have only scratched the surface and I have a stockpile of ammunition ready to go.

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Someday I will, but not until the day folks like you give up their
Recruitment Rewards for leading the unknowing into the unkown.

I never disputed or critisized what he said.

Your snide ignorant comment concerning me illustrates what you are unable to comprehend.
I don't hate Truckers,I dislike Dwellers like yourself that promote the curent conditions in trucking.
I'm not trying to justify my existence in a "Craft"(snicker) that provides little reward for efforts put forth
unlike you. You being an OTR Lifestyle pimp is a point that should be taken by anyone
contemplating your opinion on anything posted here to Newbies.
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I'll give it a shot. It's my Company,I make the rules concerning conditions. If you don't like it,hit the bricks. There's another chump at the door right now to fill the seat that refuses to believe you and your
experience. You're a Loser as compared to a real TMC Driver/detailer OTR hero like Flatbed Fred.
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I find that very negative. Trucking is what you make of it.