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The daily vehicle inspection reports (DVIRs) are often a paperwork exercise and rarely used to report deficencies discovered on the truck or trailer.
There is one day an investigator knows something was broke and required repairs. The roadside inspection reports inoperational lights, brakes out-of-adjustment and tires that need to be repalced.
When drivers fail to transcribe the deficencies from the roadside to the DVIR the carrier is cited for incomplete DVIR, no corrective action, and no mechanic's signature.

FYI, the violations reported on the roadside inspection that are not OOS are required to be repaired once the vehicle is unloaded. If the vehicle is empty, the repairs have to be completed before the vehicle is reloaded.
A vehicle should not be dispatched again until all violations cited on the roadside inspection are repaired.
A vehicle should not be operated the next day until all violations reported on the DVIR are repaired.

The 15 days is for documentation handling time, not the time allowed for repairs.
As mentioned earlier, when drivers fail to transcribe the information from the roadside to the DVIR the carrier is cited for incomplete DVIRs, no corrective action, and no mechanic's signature.

The fact the vehicle was identified as having safety defects that requires attention.as soon as possible prohibits the continued use of the vehicle.
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51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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So I understand the quoted material. I understand that in AZ continuing beyond the limits you describe is operating a vehicle OOS and will result in a first offense of 60 day suspension. A second offense in 10 years means 1 year. A third offense means 3 years.
So I am inturpreting that drving with either a "no go" item inopertive or an item that needs to be fixed after unloading or prior to laoding fills this bill for violating the OOS statue. Am I correct?
Crackaces

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OOS violations must be repaired before the vehicle is moved regardless of whether a driver or an officer cites the vehicle. If a driver sees a flat tire, the tire must be repaired before the vehicle is moved as any flat tire is an OOS violation.
Defects reported during a roadside inspection that effect the safe operation of the vehicle i.e. one brake out-of-adjustment, must be repaired once the vehicle is unloaded before the vehicle is dispatched on another load.
If a driver finds a safety violation then the violation should be repaired the next day before the driver continues the run. The driver can sign off on all three lines indicating the work is complete. However, the repair receipts should be attached to the DVIR when appropriate.
Be safe."If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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OK. For example, if a burned-out bulb is listed on a scale-house inspection report, the bulb must be listed on the post-trip inspection as a deficiciency, then listed as repaired by me. This completes the official paperwork trail.
But during a post trip inspection, I discover a burned-out bulb. I just replace the bulb, then fill out the inspection report as no deficiencies.

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in other words,the FMCSA told the inspector to harass carriers over nonsense instead of concentrating on serious violations like werners fraud log system.
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Ziggy, drivers are no longer required to have the previous day's DVIR in their possession. The DVIR is only reviewed during compliance reviews at the carrier's primary place of business.
Seems to me you have issues with Warner, perhaps you can find a way to substaniate your allegations there is mass falsification. Otherwise it's just another truckers story.
Be safe."If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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Anytime the Carrier has control over what is logged,there is falsification
benefitting the Carrier as compared to "paper" in which the falsification
benefits the Driver. Interesting how folks understand Government sponsered
programs are not infallable,seldom work and manage to circumvent any
real solution.
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it's spelled werner not warner and any fool could nail carriers on line 4 time if it was in the agenda,but it's not.instead worry about hanging landing gear crank handles and some driver not marking a burned out light bulb on some piece of paper seems to be high priorities at the FMCSA
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Ziggy, every driver that fills out a paper log has the same temptation to falsify his/her log. Union or non-union the union folks do it because they want to work extra hours and earn more pay and the non-union folks do it because they want to work more hours to get more pay.
Here in Chicago a major union carrier went out of business because of driver pay and operating cost issues. Other hourly pay carriers are using cash vouchers to hide payroll distribution of the actual hours worked.
Suspicion that a violation has occurred is nothing without proof. However, since you have demonstrated you have no concept of the FMCSR the issue of evidence is probably over your head.
Your allegations are nothing more than a rumor or supposition without evidence. The FMCSA must have the necessary evidence that a violation occurred to enforce and prosecute a violation. Suspicion has no weight in a court of law.
As mentioned in your other reply in a similar post, headlights, taillights, brake lights, and rear turn signals are the burnt out bulbs that effect the safe operation of the vehicle. If drivers learn to take better care of their equipment and ensure the equipment is in safe operating condition then a driver has a better chance of avoiding an accident when the driver is operating in a safe manner.
The FMCSA cannot afford to be narrow minded, as you appear to be all of the applicable rules have to be enforced to ensure the vehicles and drivers are operating within the limits of the FMCSR.
Get a clue Zig, the vehicle condition is the second largest contributor to accidents. If drivers would learn how to properly pre-trip, report, and have safety violations repaired before leaving the yard there would probably be fewer accidents.
Be safe."If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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John,i wish more drivers would check trailers more thoroughly before they leave the yard as well,i don't know how many times i have picked up a trailer,only to be delayed because of lights not working,brakes out of adjustment,flat tires,etc,it's frustrating having to use up part of your 14 hour just to get a trailer repaired

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and driver error is the leading cause
failure to fill out paperwork properly
werners safestat score speaks for itself
lack of action by the FMCSA against werner speaks for itself
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I pretty much agree with Zig, and it's not just Werner.
Almost all the big companies can play outside the box about as much as they want.
A lot of them do their own "auditing", and if someone like John Q would happen to come by it only takes a phone call to the right person to send them back to the office.
Only people who ever get in trouble are the ones who can't afford to buy off the dogs.

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Ziggy needs to review Yellow Freight's Safe Stats on the Safer Website.. Read driver OOS section...Interesting reading.

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I've looked at it,room for improvement there also,but normal cops go after the most serious crime and don't worry about the little stuff.
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Zig, Wuzzy, it is a numbers jig. Yellow and Werner both have a fleet of about 10,000 vehicle. The records in MCMIS go back two years. The MCMIS Safety Evaluation Areas (SEA) Scores are based on an algorithm that uses the size of the fleet, the number of miles traveled, and the number and type of violations discovered.
FYI, states conduct the roadside inspections using grants from the FMCSA. The safety investigators who work for the FMCSA are required to conduct 32 roadside inspections each year to stay qualified per Part 385. Now if you are suggesting the FMCSA tells states not to inspect Werner trucks and drivers then you are wrong.
I don't know of any carrier that has successfully kept the FMCSA out of their office. I know of carriers that were served subpoenas, refused the subpoenas and were issued court orders to either allow access or face jail time.
I know both Yellow US DOT 65616 and Werner US DOT 53467 have had CR's as the Analysis and Information web site shows the date of the last review.
I know of the weeks it takes to do a CR at a carrier of this size and the 10,000's documents reviewed.
Ziggy's summation the FMCSA ignores Werner is supposition and has no factual basis to substantiate the claim.
Personally it sounds like Zig has an axe to grind with Werner and is falsely accusing the FMCSA of inaction because the figures don’t support Zigs theories.
Zig, the paper work is the primary tool safety investigators use to determine the level of compliance for a motor carrier. The paperwork is the evidence of compliance or non-compliance. Regardless of a safety investigators suspicions, if the SI cannot discover proof the violation occurred the carrier couldn’t be prosecuted. When carriers fail to retain the documentation it may become necessary to obtain documents from brokers, shippers, repair facilities, or any other source where the records are kept, i.e. factoring companies. There are regulations that mandate the carrier retain the documents allowing the carrier to be cited and penalized for failing to retain the documents.
Just as a driver can be placed OOS for failing to have his/her seven previous days’s logs a carrier can be prosecuted for failing to retain the required documents.
Carriers are responsible to ensure the documents are properly prepared and when the documents are not prepared in-accordance-with the regulations.
It’s all paperwork Zig, no job is done without it. Without paperwork the carrier or driver has no way of showing the job was completed.
About the landing gear crank, it was a suggestion to help drivers avoid an OOS violation and losing their safety bonus when an officer is digging deep for a violation. Same with the safety chain for the spare tire. No safety chain or the safety chain is un hooked the vehicle is OOS for driver load securement.
Be safe."If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"