Question:
When is a tank "N" endorsement required on the CDL?
First guesses of when you drive a tanker will not cut it. How many gallons does a tank have to hold before a "N" endorsement is required?
I'll check on your answers later.
Alrighty then lets start the quiz.
GO!
John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
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John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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I'll be the first to answer this question.
I have no idea to be exact. I am not being sarcastic, but I don't drive a tanker and looking thru my cdl booklet I don't see it. I am either blind or I have the wrong cdl book.
Hmmm, my state cdl book doesn't have it and neither does my school book.
Please enlighten my knowledge, one day I might want to drive a tanker.
Sweet Whiskey

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SW, I'm going to leave you in suspense for a while. I believe you'll see you're not the lone stranger.
John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
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John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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any time you have a transportable capacity of 100 gallons or more
put the diesel in the truck , the alchohol in the cooler and nitro in the racecar

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tanks with a rated capacity of less than 1,000 gallons does not require an N endorsement.
Don't have to be smart, just gotta know where to look -->

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From the book
A "tank vehicle" is a commercial motor vehicle which is designed to carry any liquid or gaseous materials in a tank. Portable tanks with a rated capacity of 1,001 or more.

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Well believe it or not Nitroracer is close, Lampstandin.... You were looking in the wrong book in the wrong place.
Keep trying...
John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
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John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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I thought the FMCSR would be a good place to look. Oh well I tried -->

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Is this an endorsement from a specific state?Or a special hazmat endorsement?

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Originally posted by John Q. Public:
When is a tank "N" endorsement required on the CDL?
First guesses of when you drive a tanker will not cut it. How many gallons does a tank have to hold before a "N" endorsement is required?
I'll check on your answers later.
Alrighty then lets start the quiz.
GO!
John Q.
_"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."_
_51st Federalist Papers_
Even if you're pulling empty you need tanker endorsment
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LIARS SUKK

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Not a truck driver but wouldn't you be required to have a tanker endorsement if you are driving a vehicle with a tank on it capable of carrying 101 gallons or more?
Just a guess. The hubby is the one with a CDL and I will have to ask him later.
Most people in life live with a 50-50-90 style. In other words when there is a 50-50 chance of getting something right there is a 90% probability that your going to get it wrong.
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Ok so I'm blind. Why are you asking these questions? I guess I'll keep looking in my book and all. Maybe I'll just not worry about it..Yep that's a better idea in the long run. I don't want to feel the burning sensation of my brain on fire again. It just doesn't feel very good at all.

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Sorry folks, we had a great debate on the Round Table and I was frustrated.
Any way there are a couple of different rules on the "N" tank endorsement. I'm going to do as I usually do and post the regulation so drivers can find the stuff in the future if they have to.
Regulations
§ 383.5 Definitions.
Tank vehicle means any commercial motor vehicle that is designed to transport any liquid or gaseous materials within a tank that is either permanently or temporarily attached to the vehicle or the chassis. Such vehicles include, but are not limited to, cargo tanks and portable tanks, as defined in part 171 of this title. However, this definition does not include portable tanks having a rated capacity under 1,000 gallons.
As you can see there are at least two types of tanks. Portable Tanks and Cargo Tanks.
So here we go.
§171.8 Definitions and abbreviations.
In this subchapter,
Portable tank means a bulk packaging (except a cylinder having a water capacity of 1000 pounds or less) designed primarily to be loaded onto, or on, or temporarily attached to a transport vehicle or ship and equipped with skids, mountings, or accessories to facilitate handling of the tank by mechanical means. It does not include a cargo tank, tank car, multi-unit tank car tank, or trailer carrying 3AX, 3AAX, or 3T cylinders.
Cargo tank means a bulk packaging that:
(1) Is a tank intended primarily for the carriage of liquids or gases and includes appurtenances, reinforcements, fittings, and closures (for the definition of a tank, see 49 CFR 178.320, 178.337-1, or 178.338-1, as applicable);
(2) Is permanently attached to or forms a part of a motor vehicle, or is not permanently attached to a motor vehicle but which, by reason of its size, construction or attachment to a motor vehicle is loaded or unloaded without being removed from the motor vehicle; and
(3) Is not fabricated under a specification for cylinders, intermediate bulk containers, multi-unit tank car tanks, portable tanks, or tank cars.
Notice the second BOLD word bulk packaging.
Bulk packaging means a packaging, other than a vessel or a barge, including a transport vehicle or freight container, in which hazardous materials are loaded with no intermediate form of containment and which has:
(1) A maximum capacity greater than 450 L (119 gallons) as a receptacle for a liquid;
(2) A maximum net mass greater than 400 kg (882 pounds) and a maximum capacity greater than 450 L (119 gallons) as a receptacle for a solid; or
(3) A water capacity greater than 454 kg (1000 pounds) as a receptacle for a gas as defined in §173.115 of this subchapter.
So if a vehicle requires a CDL and meets the definition of a CMV as defined by Part 383.5 then a driver must have a "N" tank endorsement, or "X" hazmat/tank endorsement when a vehicle has a cargo tank capable of carrying 119 gallons or more on board.
By the by a CMV that requires a CDL is:
Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle --
(a) Has a gross combination weight rating of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds); or
(b) Has a gross vehicle weight rating of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more); or
(c) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or
(d) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of hazardous materials as defined in this section.
Be safe.
John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
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John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"

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Ok I got out the big book. The smaller version had little or none about that. I found it on page 272 Subpart I, Subpart J- Commercial Drivers Lic. Document. It just says that a tank endorsement is "N". No where can I find in section 383.5 anything about what you've mentioned. Nor, do I have a 383.5 section. I also am definately looking on my FMCSR book.
What book did you find that in? You have me curious and I have to know. I've looked and looked, but I am not finding it anywhere. I am not by all means calling you a lier, I just want to know where!!
Still, why are you testing us?

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SW, knowledge is power. The more you're aware of the requirements for the job you perform the less likely it is that you may pay fines.
The information in Part 171 is avaialble at: Hazmat Regulations On-Line
Check Part C when you read the regulations.
On 02/12/2004 a carrier that installs cableing for televison and has horizontal boring machines was warned their vehicles are CMV's as defined by Part 383.5.
On 02/13/2004 two of the carriers vehicles were sighted and a quick check was made to ensure the carrier was complying and had the drivers properly endorsed.
One driver had a "N" endorsement, one driver didn't have an "N" endorsement. The driver without the "N" endorsement was placed OOS and the carrier was required to send a properly licensed driver to return the truck and trailer to the carrier's yard.
The truck has a GVWR of 29,000 pounds and has a 550 gallon water (cargo) tank on the back of the truck. The trailer has a GVWR of 12,000 pounds and had a 350 gallon water (cargo) tank.
The combination is not what most people would consider a tank truck.
Be safe.
John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
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John Q.
"If men were angels...No government would be necessary."
51st Federalist Papers
"Nichols' Fourth Law says, "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome"