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Originally Posted by _R$_ Ah, psycho, I should have actually seen that, but lets say I'm not the most attentive today.
Just a question, when was the last time you knew anyone with Tuberculosis?
Good point about not staying on topic with abuse, but I still think that buying your dog Ol' Roy is not good pet ownership. Even if your name is Rich.
My dad was once paid to promote Science Diet. He promotes iVet. The vet clinic stopped carrying Science Diet I think because of fatty acid content, can't remember exactly why. The clinic (and therefore my dad) no longer receive money from Science Diet. In the end, my father isn't a salesperson, he is a Veterinarian, and a lover of animals, so I don't care to rattle off the foods that salespeople want Vets to promote.
This brings up another point however. Vets are still people, and not all people are good. I can see your point about not believing anything your Vet tells you, because I personally have known a few scumbag Vets. I no longer associate with them, but I remember exactly how their practice works, and why you shouldn't go to them. I guess you can say I am privileged in that sense, but I still think you could make a better choice in dog food than Price Chopper brand. It is still part of the expense of owning a dog, and you should take as much responsibility for a dog as you do a child. I still don't get the whole restaurant thing. I'm not naive about restaurants at all, I used to work in one, and will work at one this summer.
- Rich I bought my last Labrador retriever from one of the worlds three top breeders, Sally McCarthy Munson. She feeds all her dogs Purina dog chow. The Vet comes to her a few times a week. There's a large demand for her dogs. The vet is a doctor not a nutritionist. I'm quite sure Sally would make a better nutritionist than a vet since she hand raises her pups and keeps and shows her best or should I say her daughter show her best since the daughter is now taking over full time.
You ignored my question about the cost of feeding a large breed for one month so... look up tuberulosis on google and read about a disease that had been all but eradicated in this country when you could go to the doctor with out taking out a mortgage. Like when I was a kid.

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I got all my cats at the pound, or Happy Tails (no kill private shelter.) All my pets are neutered/spayed. I actually feed my dog Purina One healthy weight, and the cats usually get Cat Chow. Sometimes the cats get Iams, or Friskee's canned food. The cats supplement their own diet with mice, and that means frequent worm pills. The dog gets heartworm medicine year round each month. Everybody gets vaccinations, the cats get Feline Leukemia as well. All the animals get Frontline each months nine months of the year.
What's so bad about Purina? And why is iVet so much better? And who makes iVet anyway?

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Originally Posted by Shycat What's so bad about Purina? And why is iVet so much better? And who makes iVet anyway? iVet sounts like an Apple product
And I feed my babies Purina Indoor Formula cat chow, and the occasional can of Fancy Feast (another Purina product). They seem to like it!

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http://www.iheartpaws.com/articles/3...-Fiction.html/

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Very interesting! My cats get the chicken organs, but I give the neck to the dog-- it's such tiny little bones, no splintering long bones. The little dog is fat because of left over bits of meat, and cheddar cheese is his special favorite, but I've never offered him the leftover green beans or broccoli. I have leftover oatmeal every other day, and a host of other foods that are too healthy for my boys to take seconds of. It seems like if I'm halfway careful, he'd be better off with our leftovers!
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My childhood lab used to love blackberries. She was the funniest thing in the world on our farm--she'd get all the easy ones as soon as they were ripe, and then would go for deeper ones in slow motion, pushing her nose against the thorns, and not 1/8 inch more than absolutely necessary to lap it off the bramble with her tongue. She would then pull away in slow motion as well, and when free she'd dance a little triumph dance and go looking for another one. If she found a snake, she was truly ectastic. Sweet Jezibel, may she rest in peace, surely doggy heaven has thornless varieties!

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Well, I don't remember saying that Purina was a bad dog food, nor do I remember reading it on the list of recalled foods.
I'm still not sure how Tuberculosis fits into this, it has been eradicated. I used to work in a restaurant, so I'm not naive in that respect at all.
I personally do not like breeders, although for some applications, they are irreplaceable.
I am still of the belief that if you cannot afford the cost of feeding your Labrador Retriever, you should not get one. I am positive that you care for yours with love and intelligence, but there are a lot of people who are not as compassionate as you, and those are the people I am not very fond of. My only qualm is with a person who gets a dog without fully researching the subject. My dad has to treat their pets, so don't tell me that because a Lab eats a lot, people should be allowed to feed them inferior foods. They should have researched the cost before buying the dog.
CJ, cute about the Apple comment, I never even noticed!
Shycat, your childhood memories remind me of the bood "Where the Red Fern Grows", although hopefully it didn't end as tragically.
My uncle has a dog that was fed scraps from the table since she was one, of course no chicken bones or anything destructive, but a few years ago, she started having stomach problems, and he switched her over to dog food. She's a ripe old fifteen, and barely looks a day over eight! Just goes to show the toughness of the lovable omnivore, and to show that loving care can go a long way to extending the life of your friend, as long as the dog is willing.
- Rich

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Originally Posted by _R$_ Well, I don't remember saying that Purina was a bad dog food, nor do I remember reading it on the list of recalled foods.
I'm still not sure how Tuberculosis fits into this, it has been eradicated. I used to work in a restaurant, so I'm not naive in that respect at all.
I personally do not like breeders, although for some applications, they are irreplaceable.
I am still of the belief that if you cannot afford the cost of feeding your Labrador Retriever, you should not get one. I am positive that you care for yours with love and intelligence, but there are a lot of people who are not as compassionate as you, and those are the people I am not very fond of. My only qualm is with a person who gets a dog without fully researching the subject. My dad has to treat their pets, so don't tell me that because a Lab eats a lot, people should be allowed to feed them inferior foods. They should have researched the cost before buying the dog.
- Rich Yes Rich, if only all the pet owners who are suing this Income Fund were as smart as you.
But why are people investing for income, something people do for a steady steam of income on their wealth with a a combined petfood manufacturer and mutual fund.
I'm getting sick of you accusing people of being too stupid, lazy and broke to look into and educate themselves on pet ownership.
The "my father treated the pets of fools" I just don't believe.
your elitist attitude toward bourgeois pet owners is sticking like a chicken bone in ny throat.
Whoever told you that tuberculosis had ever been eradicated is lying to you.
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In Kansas, 62 percent of active TB cases reported last year were among foreign-born persons. "That's actually a national trend over the last several years," said Phil Griffin, director of the Kansas TB Control Program.
The majority of cases reported in the state are typically found in the university system, which attracts many exchange students. Part of the reason for the high proportion of foreign-born TB cases in Kansas also has to do with the state's agriculture-based economy, which attracts a large number of immigrants.
From 2002-2005, immigrants represented more than half of active TB cases reported in the United States, according to CDC. In 2005, foreign-born persons comprised 55 percent of national TB cases reported, a rate nine times greater than among the native-born. Since 1993, states in which foreign-born residents comprised over half of active TB cases grew from five to 22.
"Tuberculosis is pandemic in all but 27 countries," said Griffin. "There are so many more cases outside the United States. As immigrants come in legally or illegally, either way that is where the disease is coming from, because it is rampant in their countries."
In 2005, TB cases were at their lowest for the United States: 4.8 cases per 100,000 people. However, the rate at which TB cases are declining slowed, according to CDC. California, Texas, New York, and Florida together account for almost half of the nation's reported TB cases. Among foreign-born cases, the top countries of origin are Mexico, the Philippines, Vietnam, India, and China.
Last year, Kansas had 81 active TB cases, up from 61 cases in 2005, said Lougene Marsh, director of the Lyon County Health Department. The state's TB hot spots are usually Wichita, which reported 24 cases in 2005, and Topeka, which reported nine cases.
and don't go to prison because Tuberculosis is pandemic there across the country. btw. unless you're a full blooded American Indian someone in your family tree was an immigrant.
eaten any Chinese food lately?

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I'm sorry, but you have gotten to the point where you are throwing out everything I say for unknown reasons.
"I am still of the belief that if you cannot afford to feed a Lab you should not get one." I fail to see how this statement is wrong.
Yes, my dad does treat the pets of fools. You wouldn't believe some of the horror stories I've heard over the years, nor would you believe the condition of the dogs I've personally seen from working at the clinic. So, since you aren't going to believe, I guess we should drop the subject, because it's really going nowhere.
I don't see how TB is a pandemic when the flu, which kills about 36,000 people every year in the US isn't considered a pandemic. That seems a little more extreme than a confirmed 81 cases.
Yeah, I don't plan on going to prison anytime soon, that would be most inconvenient. Ah yes, the time comes when I find I have not chosen my words correctly. TB has been nearly eradicated in the US. I don't see what my family being a bunch of poor Irish immigrants has anything to do with this, the stats were directed at foreign born people, as far as I know, I was born in California. I also fail to see what intelligence has to do with it. Only a little common sense would tell you not to get something you couldn't afford to keep healthy.
- Rich
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Oh, no, I haven't eaten any Chinese food lately... don't know why, I guess I haven't just been feeling it. Maybe I'll take my dad to the Dragon Inn when I get back to KC...
- Rich

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an epidemic is country wide or geographical region wide, a pandemic is world wide.
Do you know why these animals are dying?
People who are in poor health die of the flu, I'm sure that more old people die of falls in their own homes than die of flu every year.
Do you know why these animals are dying?
when they say there are 81 confirmed cases there are other cases much harder to confirm. Those case are carrying the bacteria and are not coughing and may never become sick. But if you or I were on a bus with them and they sneezed because one of our perfumes tickeled their noses, everyone on the bus would be exposed.
Do you know why these animals are dying?
I'm so sorry your immigrant family was poor and from Ireland no less. They were treated much worse than we treat or some want to treat immigrants now. I wanted to just see whether you were one of the America belongs to us types.
Do you know why these animals are dying?
You may not plan on going to prison but that doesn't mean you won't. I was arrested under mistaken identity when I was thirteen and my father came and got me and chewed out the cops who cuffed me. I believe he questioned their intelligence. Ever since I've been questioning cops intelligence.
do you know why the pets are dying? and please not another "people were feeding their dog shredded hub caps" story.
It has nothing to do with being able to afford your pet. It has a lot to do with Wall Street and why the returns should go up quarterly.
You didn't care to answer why is a company who makes a food called science diet which is expensive mind you also an income fund.

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The flu would be an epidemic--an illness spreading out from a central beginning, effecting lots of people at the same time, that is not normally present in the population on a permanent basis.
That's the difference from a pandemic, which means an illness is a permanent and "here and there and anywhere" presence in a population. Pandemic makes no reference to the severity of the illness or the number of people afflicted with it. The 'pan' means everywhere, all the time. Compare pandemic to words like pancytopenia, (pan-all cyto-cells penia- too few), and pandemonium. Words like demograhic (describing a people/population with numbers) and epicenter (of an earthquake) may also help cement the differences in your memory.
Neither word defines what population is being included. The population is clarified by the context. A mere university can have an epidemic of cheating, for example, as happens when cheat rings form, recuit, and split. On the other hand, test anxiety would be pandemic to the university--a constant feature of some few or many students, at one time or another, and with someone/somewhere on campus being anxious about one test or another during any given testing period.
This might score you a point on some future gameshow.
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On the bright side (I guess,) I read all the ingredients at my local Kroger and all but two really sucked. All the major labels sucked. One upscale-esque natural dogfood had chicken meal as the first indredient but it was followed by ground rice, brewer's rice, and rice bran.
However, there was also Brandon Farms Organics with the following kick ass ingredients: organic chicken, chicken meal, organic ground brown rice, organic ground oats, organic ground barley, lamb meal, organic chicken hydrolysate, organic peas, organic flaxseed meal, tomato pomace, chicken fat (stabilized with mixed tocopherols), monocalcium phosphate. organic sunflower oil, potassium chloride, salt, taurine etc.
where etc reads like the ingredients of a vitamen tablet, with (organic) cranberries, spinach, kelp, carrots, chicory root thrown in the middle.
It was $18.00 for eight pounds, and I got it for my dog and also the cat version.
Then I went back to see that chicken livers for people were $1.59/pound, manager's special on ground pork was 1.99/pound, split chicken breasts were on sale for 2.59/pound. A value can of mixed vegetable was 60 cents, and a fifty pound bag of rice was twenty bucks.
My leftover oatmeal is free. Anyway, I got the meat and veges and the good dry kibble. I already have a huge bag of rice. All my animals were very attracted the kibble bags, despite having the usual Purina kibble availabe in their bowls. I had to put up in a closed closet.
I have seven cats and the one dog. I had no idea corn was indigestable filler. Less stool, you say???? TAKE MY MONEY, PLEASE!!! And my happier animals who will really look forward to their meals.